When prompted he'd go into exhaustive detail about what he saw and the stringent security measures he'd have to endure (Could only wear t-shirts, trousers, shoes - no clothing with pockets, no note books, cameras etc. or other paraphernalia- in or out, searches all the time).
His bottom line take: there was a Roswell crash in 1947, but the debris (and four bodies) were conveyed to then Wright -Patterson Army Airfield, not to Area 51 as the current mythos claims. One of the bodies was "badly dismembered" in a botched initial autopsy attempt while three others remained intact and were preserved. Again, in Wright -Patterson's Blue Room.
Jerry quickly added that the Air Force's disinformationists have included in their targets the name 'Blue Room' itself - dismissed as "urban myth". But the official designation of record for Blue Room operations, is NASIC - National Air and Space Intelligence Center and "it's as real as a heart attack."
He was adamant that the assorted rooms: Hangar 5 (not Hangar 18), which later became the Bldg. 18 complex - included Bldgs. 18A, 18B, 18C, 18D, 18E, 18F, 18G - the next to last with 4 cold rooms where the corpses of EBEs were stored. The complex was formally operated under NASIC (formerly Foreign Technology Division or FTD) and basically it had oversight concerning disposal and storage of craft wreckage, EBE bodies and artifacts.
Interestingly, he also maintained that no political honchos, Senators or even presidents - including JFK, FDR, Truman - have been allowed themselves into the Blue Room or the Building 18 complex. In other words, it's regarded as uber top secret. (The last one to try was Sen. Barry Goldwater in 1964 - and for his request was "reamed out" by Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay.)
When I brought up the matter of the bodies, debris etc. being mistaken for Project Mogul balloon wreckage - and dummies - e.g. from a June 23, 1997 TIME magazine issue on 'The Roswell Files',
Jerry scoffed at the claim. "That's total bullshit!" Adding:
"Don't forget an actual physicist based at the New Mexico Institute of Science and Technology splattered that crap!"
He was referring to Prof. C.B. Moore who came out soon after the attempted debunking (by Gen. Roger Ramey) asserting no balloon would leave a debris field as wide as two hundred yards by three - fourths of a mile.
Jerry then made clear:
"The military powers that be scarfed up those bodies and the debris within hours and had them shipped off to Wright Patterson Army Airfield near Dayton Ohio."
He added that from what he could discern from the photographic- film materials he handled, there were four categories of interest for what was recovered and put in the Blue Room i) Sections of light, thin aluminum colored metal which were 'unbendable', ii) I-beam structures with weird symbols "like hieroglyphics" embossed on them, iii) Tiny wiring that resembled today's nanofilament wires, iv) thin aluminum cloth like metal that could be scrunched up then released and recovered its original shape.
When I mentioned UFO debunker Philip Klass asserting in the same TIME article that "the real Roswell crashed saucer coverup was by UFO book authors" he fairly exploded.
"Klass couldn't find his asshole from a hole in the ground! He never went to the places I was or saw what I saw so he doesn't know jack shit!"
Before he died (of an aortic aneurysm) in August, 2016 Jerry maintained "more of these craft will soon be upon us, in our skies" He didn't live to see the videos from the U.S. Navy pilots or their eye -opening interviews from '60 Minutes'. Where the Nimitz pilots reported craft diving into the water at 13,000 mph, e.g. see link below:
Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs - YouTube
Those Nimitz pilots, of course, were also victims of hyped-up secrecy given the radar tapes they expected to be released from their encounter never were. So Lt. Cmdr. David Fravor and his fellow pilots (from the Nimitz 'Black Aces') were left out there hanging in the breeze with only their oral accounts.
Which, like the theme of the film, brings up the question of why so much secrecy? Chris Impey, an astronomer at the University of Arizona, quoted in a 2023 WaPo article had noted:
“The U.S. has always tended toward secrecy. Only in the last year or so has there been a push for transparency, but the backdrop of that was flat-out denial or secrecy.”
The article itself noting:
"Whether a country shares UFO information often comes down to military interests. The United States has often been less willing to publicize or publicly engage on questions about UFOs — even going so far to spread misinformation in the 1950s — for fear of ceding a strategic advantage to adversaries and jeopardizing national security."
All of which supported Jerry's 1990 explanation for why such secrecy shrouding UFO files was/is a given, and then leading to his acid observation:
"Hey, if there's nothing really there and all this UFO stuff is about wackos and fruitcakes just seeing things - why hide it?"
And we now know - from the same WaPo piece- this is not done in other nations, e.g.
In U.S., most UFO documentation is classified. Not so in other countries.
Which elicits the question: Why in the U.S. mount an extraordinary decades long effort to undermine every reported UFO, including kneecapping the reputations of those doing the reporting? Well, because in the U.S. recovered craft are re-engineered and re-purposed in order to obtain a military advantage - in novel weaponry - that other foreign rivals (China, Russia) don't have.
What gives? In the words of Brazilian Rodolpho Santos, a historian at the Federal Institute of Minas Gerais:
"It’s comparatively easy to get this information here. And the variety of records is good and considerable.”
It’s all in public records. There are no security clearances such as demanded in the U.S. (Where even Ike, we were informed by Jerry, was told he didn't have a clearance high enough to see the crashed Roswell craft, after taking the reins as president in 1953). But totally different in Brazil. No heavily redacted documents. Anyone can access the files — the military reports, the videos and audio recordings, the grainy unverified photographs — and thousands of people have.
It seems that in Brazil and much of South America, there has been a more relaxed attitude toward the inexplicable, the public’s right to know and the limits of scientific explanation. In South America, at least four countries — Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and Peru — have public government programs that study and investigate UFO activity. Argentina and Chile regularly release reports on identifying aerial objects. And in Uruguay, which has passed UFO details along to the United States since the 1970s, the military runs the Commission for the Reception and Investigation of Complaints of Unidentified Flying Objects.
Meanwhile, legislators in Washington push for the same transparency that other parts of the world have enjoyed for years, even holding House hearings to make the case, featuring former Air Force vets. And yet what do they get in return? More stonewalling amid torrents of disinfo from the military, intel agencies. And even the esteemed "fourth estate" chipping in its two cents, heaping scorn on testifying military senior personnel such as David Grusch and David Fravor, e.g.
UFO congressional hearing: Whistleblower says US concealing 'multi-decade' UFO program | AP News
Jerry? He wasn't surprised in our 1990 talks and he wouldn't be surprised now. As he put it when the conversation ended: "The fuckers will never come clean until and unless one of them lands right in the middle of D.C. I just hope I am alive to see it."
Alas, he didn't make it, dying from a burst abdominal aneurysm on Aug. 6, 2016. A damned pity he didn't live to see Spielberg's movie, as he would have been in 7th heaven seeing the ending.
See Also:
Disclosure Day | Official Trailer
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disclosure day final trailer - Google Search
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The Age of Disclosure - Official Trailer | IMDb
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1947 Twining Memo On Unidentified Flying Discs Paved The Way For First FOIA Release Of UFO Docs
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JPL-NASA Director Put On Spot About UAP Alien Origin - Doesn't Leave Us Impressed.
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Navy pilots describe encounters with UFOs - YouTube
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Gov't Whitewashing OF UAP-UFOs Is Still Based On Myth of Human Sovereignty..
