Continued Conversation with Krimhilde, An Eckankar Adept

This continues the conversation I had at the end of April with my sister-in-law, Krimhilde, on spiritual aspects of Eckankar and related issues:

Q. You just returned from the Worldwide Eckankar Seminar in Minneapolis. What was that all about,  briefly summarized?

A. That was similar to the one you attended - I know, out of curiosity- in 1998, and we learned new and more ways to make God an everyday reality in our lives. That is the primary purpose of Eckankar by the way, and the name itself means partnership with God. The seminar also signals the spiritual harvest in a given year's cycle, making spirituality more abundant in our world and available to all.

Q. Many extreme rightist Christians accuse you all of worshipping Harold Klemp, designated the  "living Eck Master". Can you elaborate on that aspect and why they are wrong?

A. (Laughs). This just shows the level of ignorance! Sri Harold Klemp is who we in Eckankar call the Mahanta, the living Eck Master.  In Eckankar there is always a living Eck Master, to whom we give our respect but never worship. That is reserved for the one God. The purpose of a living Eck Master like Harold Klemp is to assist all spiritual apprentices to gain valuable experience in the light and sound manifested by the true God. This leads to spiritual self-confidence.

Q. Who were some of the other Eck Masters?

A. They include the founder of Eckankar, Paul Twitchell, and others including: Fubbi Quantz, the guardian of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad at the Katsupari Monastery in northern Tibet; Gopal Das, who teaches at the Temple of Golden Wisdom on the Astral Plane; Lai Tsi, who is  the guardian of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad on the Saguna Lok, the Etheric Plane; and Yaubl Sacabi, the Living ECK Master among the Mycenaeans in ancient Greece. Others can be found with their photo images at the Eckankar dot org website..

Q. Where does Jesus Christ fit into this picture?

A. This is easy! Jesus was a messenger of God who served and still serves,  as the spiritual guide for Christians. This is no different to how many special men - either as spiritual teachers or designated saints - have done for other groups throughout time. For example,   Paul Twitchell's book Stranger By the River includes passages that speak with beauty and inspiration about the message of love that Jesus brought. We respect Jesus as such a messenger but we do not worship him and he himself would have advised that he not be worshipped.  He was one expression of God but not the only one. In the same way, the Dalai Lamas have been such messengers for the Buddhists, and Mohammed was such for the Muslims. None of these are to be worshipped, but treated as messengers.

Q. But certain Christians of the extreme type would argue that if you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior you can't enter heaven. How do you respond?

A.Heaven is in the here and now. We make heaven where we are by expressing love in its highest form. Anyone who would impose or say that one is doomed, or damned because he doesn't believe such and such, cannot be expressing any love. Therefore, his god is already false. It is fiction. A real God - the one of Love  - doesn't send people to any hell for anything. This is what the ignorant do not grasp.

Q. But they would say they are still "saved" because they've accepted Christ as their Savior. They'd say you are in the wrong!

A. Let them say what they will!  It is obvious that if one has so much hate that he believes others - who don't believe as he does- must be sent to hell, then there must be a contradiction. One cannot have love and hate existing in the same Being, and to have a God that would send humans to hell for their beliefs is not a God that loves. It is a fiction that hates. I say it is a fiction because these people created it in their own minds.  If it were true that the God they worship is one of love THEY themselves would show such love in their lives, not with words but actions! They would feed the homeless and clothe them, they would donate their time selflessly to those with less than they have, instead of wallowing in their own self pity and hate.  You can always tell what type of thing a person worships by how he behaves, how he acts. He can say all he wants his God is real, real love or whatnot, but if he himself doesn't show that love it is a fraud.

Q. Well said. Why is it certain Christians, like fundamentalists and so on, get so worked up about Hell, Satan and damnation? It’s like that’s the only note they know how to sound.

A. That’s because their psychic or mental vibrations are operating at so low a frequency that only horrid, nasty things can be conceived of. “Satan” is the product of low vibrations and low mentality. Also, I could say, a brutal and inhuman mentality. Satan is inhuman, no? Thus, the mind that conceives him must likewise be inhuman and hateful. It cannot be one of love.  No higher spiritual person could conceive of such a being. It would be like an exalted master or saint thinking of ways to murder or rape. It’s outside their nature, and therefore impossible. Only a human very close to a bestial nature or disposition could be such a Satanist!

Q. A Satanist?

A. Yes! Obviously, if you believe in Satan and that he has as much power in the world, as many of these people claim, you must be a Satanist! You don't have to actually physically worship Satan to be such - just to hold him in your mind and use him as a cudgel against others!

Q. I want to get to the musical or sound called HU which figures prominently in Eckankar. Can you explain a bit about it?

A. HU is our love song to God. It is perhaps the most beautiful sound a human can make in the universe. The higher one goes on the spiritual frequency scale, the higher ordered one’s thoughts become and the closer one gets to the Godhood. By studying Eckankar we learn to know and use those special words (like “HU”) which interject the highest light and sound frequencies into our meditations, and positive purpose into our lives. This is what enables our rapid spiritual growth.

(Readers can find an example of HU sounded here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFfG1Ry8ohk )

Q. So in terms of the afterlife, you don't accept heaven or hell?

A. NO. Absolutely not!  I believe and accept reincarnation.Think of it! How crazy it is to have only one life to live, and one where you may be born with severe mental illness or from a terrible family or with infirmities, then be expected to reach heaven in that one life. It is insane! For example, if you are a backward peasant living in China and have never heard of Jesus does that mean you must go to Hell? No. That is stupid. It isn’t the fault of the Chinese peasant, as he has no control on where he’s born. The only justice system that makes sense therefore is karma (as you sow, so shall you reap) and reincarnation is part of it.

Q. So let me get this clear. Say I am a self-professed 'saved' Christian but display lots of hate toward many groups, including Muslims, Catholics, atheists, others,  then in my next incarnation I can expect a not so good life?

A. Yes! By the principles of karma you will then be born as one of those people you hated in this life, as a Muslim, a Catholic or even an atheist! You will then have to likely suffer the attacks doled out by the prejudiced that you dole out to them now, by word or deed. It is a way of balance. And until you learn the lesson to accept all people, irrespective of beliefs, you cannot progress!

Q. What about the Bible as a book of proclaimed truth?

A. As I've said before, those books were written by low vibration people living thousands of years ago, for other low vibration people. We are living in a more enlightened era where we know more. This means our more developed minds need more sophisticated sources. Reading those ancient books or bibles is like a college student groveling around in a nursery and still talking baby talk. Worse, the degraded level of the book writers, especially where they depict this “god” killing humans out of vengeance, is a reflection of their own base nature and desire for vengeance. Their degraded, low vibration souls hate so they write to make their god hate, like them. This bible god is no god of love.

The obsession with the 'good book' is based  on the anxiety to be right…..right, right, right….This impulse and need penetrates and suffuses everything. That’s why they clutch their bibles so closely, as if to worship the book itself. I believe they’d all have heart attacks if all their good books suddenly disappeared overnight. They wouldn’t know how to live, and their precious compass for living would be gone.

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Spiritual Advice From an Eckankar Adept

It is gratifying that my sister-in-law, Krimhilde, an Eckankar Adept, is once more in Colorado. I had occasion to ask advice on a number of issues, and though I am an atheist, I’ve always found her wisdom extends far beyond her own domain and has often proven useful. A few of the topics below, also her insights into my brother Mike, after seeing some of his blog material:

- On my proposal to travel to Germany and particularly Dachau (former site of the infamous concentration camp), in order to experiment with time slips (subject of a forthcoming blog – next month)


K: I do not recommend this! Time slips as you know are unpredictable. While in most cases nothing will happen if you should travel to Dachau, what if you do somehow manage to step through a time slip? What if you then find yourself in Dachau of 1944 instead of Dachau in 2013 or even 1980? You mention bringing a calculator with you to convince any concentration camp guards that you are from the future. But what if they confiscate it? Then, your proof is gone! And what will Janice do if you should be lost back in time? It is not a good idea!

-Why is it unwise for those like my brother Mike to be so obsessed with bibles?


K: Those books were written by lower vibration people living thousands of years ago, for other lower vibration people. We are now in a more enlightened era where we know more. Reading those books or bibles is like a college student groveling around in a nursery and talking baby talk. Worse, the degraded level of the writers, especially where they depict their god killing humans like the Canaanites out of vengeance, is a reflection of their own base nature and desire for vengeance. Their degraded, low vibration souls hate so they write to make their god hate, like them. This bible god is no god of love. Those who follow it cannot be people of love but hate.

You must remember the Hebrew-Christian universe is one in which the overriding anxiety to be right…..right, right, right….penetrates everything. That’s why they clutch their bibles so closely. I believe they’d all have heart attacks if all their good books suddenly disappeared overnight.

- Having to deal with Mike and his incessant blog attacks:

K: There is only one way to deal with him and that is to detach yourself from reading his blog! You can’t change him so long as he is filled with hate and hardness. Hardness covers his heart like ice and if you read his material it can affect yours. You must go your way and let him go his. You cannot control what he does, so if he continues to go to your blog and use it to make attacks, that is his choice. His business. He knows your material is not to his liking, but if he still exposes himself to it and makes himself mad, that is his choice. Your choice has to be to dislodge and stay clear of his angry vibrations and low sense of self-esteem and worth. He may be your brother by blood, but in the end that means nothing. One must find accord with those who share the same outlook, not blood!

- What is your sense of Mike’s blog?

K: From the bit I’ve read, this is a man spiritually stunted and given to hardness. He is so enamored of his own hardness he wears it proudly like a mantle! Maybe the Marines made him this way, who is to say? But as we know, life thrives in softness, not hardness. Hardness is the nature of death, of preserved, dried out and dessicated things! If you examine the tissues of living plants and the bodies of animals their cells are soft, pliant and hence open to life. If you examine a corpse, it is encased in stiffness, hardness. Being hard is being dead. If not physically yet, then mentally and spiritually and as we know physical death not long follows if the hard person refuses to change.

His hardness is also based on his alienation from others: other races, other religions, other ways of life, even his own brother.. Because he is so hard, he sees others as soft, or weak. But he is the one who is weak because of his need to appear hard. He is not open to life or its experiences, but only serving his own needs. His own needs also mean creating Satan by which to terrify others. But we know Satan doesn’t exist, it is the product of a low vibration mental state, barely above the animal. In Eckankar you can only give out what your baseline vibrations allow. If those vibrations are low or degraded you will emit degraded ideas and concepts. People who write or talk often of Satan are embedded in degraded mental states so they create a degraded being which is really a reflection of their own nature.


- On starting another war as with Iran:


K: This is a terrible idea! The world now is starved for peace! We have had already more than 12 years of war! When does it end? Sadly, too many people are enthralled by conflict. Too many nations are intoxicated by their own power. We can only escape this maze by invoking the special Eck words of sound (HU) and light which elevate the mind and consciousness beyond the animal level. War is the outcome when we accept only the animal level mind and refuse to rise above it. Our politicians and leaders must seek to rise above this degraded low vibration mind and listen more to their inner Being. If a war begins with Iran all people will suffer, not just in Iran or in the U.S. Is this fair? No, it isn’t!

But all people must strive for attaining the peaks of insight. The higher one goes on the spiritual frequency scale, the more ordered one’s thoughts become and the closer one gets to the Godhood. By studying Eckankar we learn to know and use those special words (like “HU”) which interject the highest light and sound frequencies into our meditations, and positive purpose into our lives. If a majority in the world practiced such meditations there would be no need for wars.


-On life after death

K: Yes, there IS life after death by way of reincarnation! Having one life in which you must attain a good or salvation and if you don’t you go to Hell is stupid and crazy. There are too many impediments, improbables, intrusions to admit that. For example, if you are a backward peasant living in the Indian backwaters and have never heard of Jesus does that mean you must go to Hell? No. That is stupid. It isn’t the fault of the Indian peasant as he has no control on where he’s born. The only justice system that makes sense therefore is karma (as you sow, so shall you reap) and reincarnation is part of it.


- So in terms of karma, what would be the likely reincarnation for a ‘Billy Badass’ hard soldier-type in this life who extols the military and worships anything ‘tough’?

K: That is easy! His reincarnation would be as a soft female! Most preferably a beautiful one! Only then would he begin to learn the important lessons he refused to learn in this life: that life itself is built on softness not hardness. By having to wear a body that is soft by nature he would be forced to submit to its softness and also have to deal with others’ perceptions when they perceive it. He will painfully experience the criticisms of others for being soft that he dealt to others in this life by proudly portraying himself as hard.

The good thing for him is that reincarnation means he will not recall his earlier self or body so there is nothing to compare his current one with, or feel upset about! The wheel of rebirth works in wondrous ways!