Believe it or not, this Goober of a VP named JD Vance (allegedly Yale-educated) told a MAGA podcaster named Benny Johnson that he believes that aliens and UFOs are actually "demons". Don't take my word for it but go to the podcast yourself:
Vance's babble about UFOs and aliens as "demons" comes in at about 19:52 in this podcast, and it reeks of religious claptrap of the type my late brother - Pastor Mike - used to spout, e.g.
Brane Space: Has this Guy got the "Hell Obsession", or What?
For example, at 20:54 the twit yaps, when asked what he thinks:
"I don't think they're aliens but demons. Whenever I hear about extra-natural phenomena, I naturally go to the Christian understanding. There's a lot of good out there but also a lot of evil."
Hmmm, then why doesn't this dope see it right in front of him in the person of Trump, whom he originally said was an "American Hitler." But he goes on:
"One of the devil's great tricks is to convince people he never existed."
But left unsaid, probably on purpose, is that one of the Bible-thumpers' greatest tricks has been to convince millions of gullible folk that "demons" are real and everywhere. Shoot, the thumpers (mainly hellfire evangelicals) patter has been so convincing they've even tricked higher IQ people into believing this bunkum. For example, my former colleague at Harrison College John Phillips, who I debated some 35 years ago on the topic: 'Demons - Fact Or Fantasy? e.g.
Basically, soundly dispatching John's demonic entities according to most of those in attendance. Lu Elizondo, former director of The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), splattered similar bunkum in Chapter 8 ('Angels and Demons', p. 80) in his superb monograph, Imminent. He noted a "powerful circle of Christian fundamentalists" who'd already embedded themselves in the Dept. of Defense when he was there. They were called "the Collins Elite" and firmly believed any "aliens" associated with UAP-UFOs had to be supernatural demons. Prompting Mr. Elizondo to write:
"To entertain the notion that some generals - and their staff of zealots - actively promoted a religious agenda which drove policy inside a secular national security institution, was simply a bridge too far."
Adding:
"Their ability to operate in complete anonymity was their strength. They were single-minded Pentagon and intelligence community lifers with the power to shape power and kill programs with a whisper or a nod. Every action they took was motivated by their religious beliefs."
Or maybe not. What if the Pentagon bible thumpers' religious agenda is just a useful smokescreen actually directed at protecting state (human) cosmic sovereignty? Recall here the 2008 paper 'Sovereignty and the UFO' by Alexander Wendt and Raymond Duvall:
Sovereignty and the UFO - Alexander Wendt, Raymond Duvall, 2008
Therein the authors noted the phenomenon of the UFO tends to be rejected as real - by government sources, as well as the military and the media - because it comes up against the human concept of state sovereignty. The basic takeaway: Humans, particularly in the top echelons of government, military, can't handle the concept of competition with any kind of more advanced exterior (to Earth) civilization. So, it has nothing to do with protecting a fragile public from ET contacts, but rather protecting a fragile government and security state from taking seriously an exterior that in the guise of actual alien existence.
The adoption of this take would be perfect for the Collins Elite, giving them an excuse not to reveal the actual physical basis of the aliens (cf. Chapter 11, p.114, 'Biological Remains'). At the same time keeping the practical aspects of the Legacy Program in full gear, i.e. re-engineering of any crashed alien craft for military use. I mean, as Elizondo wrote, they do have the power to kill any unwanted programs they don't like, while continuing their own pseudo-religious agenda. This was also likely the basis for the countering documentary, 'The Age of Disclosure', e.g.
The Age of Disclosure - Official Trailer | IMDb
I would be remiss here if I didn't also reference certain media personalities who have added their 2 cents to the 'aliens as demons' blather, Namely, NY Times columnist Ross Douthat who I'd taken on in a previous blog post:
Ross Douthat: Does the U.S. government want you to believe in UFOs? (sltrib.com)
Note that Douthat is a self- professed "conservative Roman Catholic" like Vance, so is able to argue that any real UFOs and aliens are not related to scientific categories, but "Jungian unconscious or supernatural" ones. As when he writes in his NY Times piece:
"The experiences (e.g. of the Navy pilots), are more likely to offer evidence of either some kind of Jungian unconscious or actual supernatural realms than interplanetary visitors."
Referring to the videos - like the Go Fast e.g.
This one made publicly available some 9 years ago. So Douthat, like Vance, apparently never got the message that there is no issue of "belief" here. As former head of the Hayden Planetarium - Dr. Kenneth Franklin - made clear in his February, 1975 lecture at the Harry Bayley Observatory in Barbados:,
"Asking me if I believe in UFOs is like asking me if I believe in Chicago. Of course I do! What you're really asking me when you ask that question is whether I believe UFOs are spacecraft from another planet, and I don't."
Add to that the only scientific definition of UFO, as given by Dr. J. Allen Hynek in his book (UFOs- A Scientific Inquiry):
"A UFO is the reported perception of an object of light seen in the sky, the appearance, trajectory and general dynamic behavior of which do not suggest a logical, conventional explanation and which is not only mystifying to the original percipients but remains unidentified, after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making a common sense identification, if one were possible.”
This is important to process and remember if one is to have any kind of intelligent discussion, especially dispatching with the rubbish that UFOs and aliens are "demonic" or in any way supernatural.. Hynek basically gives us a scientific template by which to judge the nature of an object or light seen in the sky and which falls outside recognized categories.
Further, solar physicist Peter Sturrock's work in the field of UFO analysis based on his book ('The UFO Enigma: A New Review of the Physical Evidence' ) discloses physical parameters are paramount. Hence, he examines in detail: magnetic, mechanical and thermal properties of contacted soil that cannot be merely emanations of the "Jungian" unconscious. Or anything supernatural like "demons".
Sturrock notes the following pertinent aspects given soil's retention properties (pp. 94-95):
i)Mechanical – A continuous or brief mechanical pressure distorts the soil, and this can be measured by a penetration instrument.
ii)Thermal – Measurement of the quantity of water in the soil as compared to other nearby control samples, allows determination of the amount of energy required to reduce the water content to that level.
iii)Magnetic: Some soils have a high magnetic remanence. In this case it is useful to examine the magnetic pattern of the soil with the help of magnetometers either in situ, or in a laboratory.
iv)Radioactivity: Soil samples can be analyzed either in situ, of in the lab using recovered samples.
v)Physico-chemical: Samples from the trace region and control samples (recovered far from trace region) can be analyzed for molecular, atomic and isotopic composition.
Thus, those entities, craft which made such contact have to be real. They cannot be any kind of "supernatural" spirits flitting about, since 'spirits' don't make soil impressions or exhibit magnetic remanence.
Hence, one has to conclude the supernatural interpretations of Vance and Douthat are traced to their own Christian world-cosmic views, nothing more. As for the Collins Elite based in the Pentagon, only they know the actual reasons for their quasi-religious agenda but I would bet it serves a dual purpose - as noted earlier. And only JD Vance knows if he is privy to the inner workings of the Collins Elite, or mayhap is part of that Pentagon group. But it does suggest to me that Rump isn't about to deliver any actual revelations about aliens in a supposed May speech, e.g.
A May 1st "Major Speech" By Trump Revealing Alien Craft Are Real? Don't Make Me Laugh!
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by Amanda Marcotte | April 2, 2026 - 5:20am | permalink
Even for JD Vance, it was a weird moment. Over the weekend, the vice president appeared on the podcast of Benny Johnson, a sycophantic MAGA media figure tied to the conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA. The two discussed the Trump administration’s aggressive immigration crackdown, Medicaid fraud and the SAVE Act, which would undermine Americans’ freedom to vote, and Vance even accused Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., of immigration fraud. But in a blatant attempt to snag the attention former president Barack Obama received for discussing aliens during a recent podcast appearance, the conversation turned to the extraterrestrial and UFOs, which the Yale-educated Vance argued are actually demons.
The vice president pretended to pivot from “a longer discussion” of the subject, but then he immediately started pontificating about the culture’s “desire” to classify “celestial beings who fly around” as “aliens.” The Christian interpretation, he argued, should be demons, because “one of the devil’s great tricks is to convince people he never existed.”
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